Craig Anderson "Where is the Library" Talk

10/8 08:45:42.245 Xanthippe has come online.
10/8 08:46:02.821 Franticread: and our speaker is now online which is great
10/8 08:46:12.821 Xanthippe: Gah! I'm here! Me voici!
10/8 08:46:30.335 Xanthippe: Sorry I'm so late, and ... in Stormwind. :(
10/8 08:46:31.120 Franticread: Hello Xanthippe
10/8 08:46:42.540 Villapapyri says: Quick test!
10/8 08:46:42.928 Miryl: lol, hiya
10/8 08:46:46.641 Villapapyri has gone offline.
10/8 08:46:47.469 Franticread: NP - you are not late still 15 minutes to go
10/8 08:47:04.112 Masquirade: 50DKP-
10/8 08:47:29.171 Xanthippe: I still don't know what a DKP is. Direct Kill Points??
10/8 08:47:46.484 Villapapyri: OK, it's working.
10/8 08:47:50.329 Villapapyri: We're all set.
10/8 08:47:58.596 Masquirade: tbh neither do I, i just know if you help kill more bosses you get more DKP
10/8 08:48:31.646 Franticread: we are all just early - about 10 more minutes
10/8 08:49:48.011 Franticread: Stefwyn sends her apologies - someone had to cover the phones at work :{
10/8 08:50:21.120 Xanthippe: just missed the tram....
10/8 08:50:47.631 Villapapyri: Alas!
10/8 08:50:59.049 Villapapyri: To both Stefwyn AND Xanthippe!
10/8 08:51:20.820 Villapapyri: I'm the same guy who plays Nairarbil, if anyone is wondering why there's a massive draenei man in the guild now.
10/8 08:51:41.266 Franticread: and not sure if Heimal can make it either - s/he was really going to try
10/8 08:51:58.256 Villapapyri: Man! That's going to be weird without Hiemal online.
10/8 08:52:03.133 Villapapyri: Hiemal's always here.
10/8 08:52:07.772 Masquirade: Hehe
10/8 08:52:54.973 Franticread: a big cheer for Merrily - it is 6.00am for her
10/8 08:53:04.087 Masquirade: today's log is going to take longer in the editing, at least until I can get open office installed
10/8 08:53:45.213 Franticread: last time the editing was amazingly fast - so a bit longer is not going to be a problem - it is great having two transcript done
10/8 08:53:45.609 Villapapyri: Yay! It's a Merrily!
10/8 08:54:00.844 Merrily: Thank you and goood morn zzzzzzzzzz ......
10/8 08:54:33.710 Masquirade: Know exactly how you feel *yawns*
10/8 08:55:13.240 Villapapyri offers Merrily coffee.
10/8 08:55:16.000 Xanthippe: Whew!
10/8 08:55:31.703 Villapapyri: Huh. Coffee. That's an excellent idea. I have five minutes, right?
10/8 08:55:40.843 Masquirade: Yes
10/8 08:55:42.228 Xanthippe: Do I have a few minutes?
10/8 08:55:44.367 Franticread: I think we give people 5 more minutes and then start
10/8 08:56:01.712 Franticread: so time to get a quick coffee
10/8 08:56:12.985 Merrily: Right - time for breakfast then :)
10/8 08:57:17.571 Pfeffa waves at Franticread.
10/8 08:57:24.935 Franticread says: Pfeffa - are you here for the talk?
10/8 08:57:42.041 Pfeffa says: yup!
10/8 08:57:48.934 Pfeffa has joined the guild.
10/8 08:58:08.083 Pfeffa: thanks!
10/8 08:58:15.179 %s has earned the achievement Represent!
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10/8 08:58:23.224 Franticread: gratz
10/8 08:59:41.440 Miryl dances with Historian Karnik.
10/8 08:59:43.358 Pfeffa pets Mr. Chilly.
10/8 08:59:47.550 Franticread: is everyone back with their toons now?
10/8 09:00:07.320 Xanthippe: not me yet. [blush]
10/8 09:00:39.263 Masquirade: I'm still here
10/8 09:00:44.135 Xanthippe: Sorry I'm so late. I'm scarfing down dinner.
10/8 09:01:10.117 Franticread: Xan - no need to apologies - and we don't want the speaker choking - or anyone else
10/8 09:01:23.236 Franticread: Hello and welcome to this talk. My name is Ellen Forsyth and I work at the State Library of New South Wales…
10/8 09:01:33.099 Franticread: I would like to acknowledge all the traditional owners of the land.
10/8 09:01:58.194 Franticread: It is great to see all of you here today. - and it is amazing the lengths people have gone to - like logging on at 6.00am
10/8 09:02:05.570 Villapapyri applauds at Merrily. Bravo!
10/8 09:02:08.961 Franticread: Today is the second in the occasional talks series, lots of people have been looking at the transcript of the talk Shawn McCann gave a few weeks ago. Big thanks to Jackslack and Variel for this great resource.
10/8 09:02:22.736 Villapapyri blushes at Franticread.
10/8 09:02:26.496 Franticread: Craig Anderson is very active with virtual reference, libraries in Second Life and games. He has been leading the way for his university on I have been enjoying reading Craig’s blog, articles and tweets.
10/8 09:02:43.982 Franticread: In one of his blog posts he wrote “Getting a bunch of people to do something silly and immature in the name of gaming is kind of my forte. Making it LIBRARY-based only sweetens the deal. “ and make sure you read his recent post called “
10/8 09:02:51.000 Franticread: acting normal
10/8 09:03:13.408 Franticread: I am really looking forward to what he has to discuss with us today. - over to Criag - umm Xanthippe
10/8 09:03:21.896 Villapapyri cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 09:03:41.036 Miryl claps excitedly for Historian Karnik.
10/8 09:03:42.246 Pfeffa claps excitedly for Xanthippe.
10/8 09:03:43.504 Franticread claps excitedly for Xanthippe.
10/8 09:03:43.924 Villapapyri says: (It's a spotlight!)
10/8 09:03:48.308 Xanthippe: Okay, I'm back!!
10/8 09:04:17.216 Xanthippe: So sorry! wifey got home late, we had to eat a wonderful dinner in under 10 minutes. :D
10/8 09:04:26.823 Franticread: Great - we are ready to go - I think you might have missed my intro - sorry - I said nice things about you ;D
10/8 09:04:44.048 Xanthippe: Aww ... that's so sweet!
10/8 09:06:17.582 Xanthippe: Okay, so ... Hi! My name is Craig Anderson, and i'm one of the many helpful and enthusiastic librarians at Kean University in lovely lovely Union, NJ
10/8 09:06:38.455 Villapapyri listens intently to Xanthippe.
10/8 09:06:51.707 Xanthippe: (I'm working from a script, but I might go improv at any moment. :)
10/8 09:07:06.480 Pfeffa gasps at Xanthippe.
10/8 09:07:33.284 Xanthippe: This is my "toon", Xanthippe, and she is just one of the many ways I choose to represent myself in WoW
10/8 09:07:47.204 Pfeffa tells Mr. Chilly to be quiet. Shhh!
10/8 09:07:55.389 Villapapyri gently pats Mr. Chilly.
10/8 09:07:56.676 Maizon has joined the guild.
10/8 09:08:42.944 Xanthippe: I know that there are a lot of males in the online gaming community who insist that: "If I'm going to be looking at someone's backside all night, it'd better be a CUTE backside". But I have no such excuse.
10/8 09:09:06.079 Xanthippe: I'm just comfortable enough in my masculinity to admit that sometimes I like playing a girl.
10/8 09:09:38.631 Miryl flirts with Xanthippe.
10/8 09:09:55.488 Villapapyri raises his hand at Xanthippe
10/8 09:10:21.222 Xanthippe: So ... I'm going to speak to you all tonight about Gaming and Education. I have to admit, that I work in an Academic Libraryand we do not yet have any kind of "World of Warcraft program at my library.
10/8 09:10:49.227 Villapapyri withdraws his hand, please continue.
10/8 09:11:08.588 Xanthippe: We have been moderately involved in Second Life, but lately we've been getting out of that. I'll tell you all why later.
10/8 09:11:19.163 Xanthippe: [oops]
10/8 09:11:31.154 Xanthippe: But first, a little background ....
10/8 09:11:51.774 Xanthippe: Oooh, I'm sorry, Villa, was there a question?
10/8 09:12:03.448 Villapapyri: No no, please continue.
10/8 09:12:13.343 Xanthippe: I thought that was a fist pump or something. :)
10/8 09:12:30.926 Villapapyri fist pumps!
10/8 09:12:34.510 Villapapyri bursts into dance.
10/8 09:12:57.799 Xanthippe: Anyway, I got into gaming when I was 12 years old. This was before fully-fledged massively multiplayer online role-playing games, of course.
10/8 09:13:36.971 Xanthippe: For me, "gaming" consisted of getting together and playing Dungeons & Dragons on Saturday nights with my friends.
10/8 09:13:56.740 Xanthippe: Many of you here probably have similar stories.
10/8 09:14:21.285 Xanthippe: This tradition continued into my college years and beyond.
10/8 09:14:46.436 Xanthippe: These Saturday night gaming sessions, let's be honest, were pretty geeky.
10/8 09:14:56.020 Merrily nods at Xanthippe.
10/8 09:15:07.928 Villapapyri cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 09:15:17.393 Xanthippe: Most of my friends were not popular at school, we didn't quite fit in, and we were all just a little weird.
10/8 09:15:58.099 Xanthippe: Roleplaying was an escape for us, and it gave us a chance to fight dragons when we couldn't fight for ourselves.
10/8 09:16:16.390 Xanthippe: But there was something else that happened during our games ...
10/8 09:16:22.329 Xanthippe: We got SMART.
10/8 09:17:01.307 Xanthippe: Not that we were dumb going into D&D, but roleplaying games taught us many things that we never would have learned in school.
10/8 09:17:46.684 Xanthippe: At what age do most children learn the word "dexterity", and how to use it in a sentence? Age 15? 16?
10/8 09:17:54.494 Xanthippe: I learned it when I was 12.
10/8 09:19:05.731 Xanthippe: How many people know what a "trebuchet" is, and how it affected medieval combat? Well, I knew that it did a whole handful of dice more than an onager, or regular catapult, so i could have extrapolated from that.
10/8 09:19:30.409 Xanthippe: As geeks, we learned so many things before our peers.
10/8 09:20:36.363 Xanthippe: Battle of Agincourt? Check? The difference between a glaive-guisarme and a partisan? Check. What year did Richard the Lionheart embark on the 3rd crusade? Please, give me TOUGH one ... ;)
10/8 09:20:49.164 Villapapyri says: What year was it?
10/8 09:21:02.414 Xanthippe: So all of this learning I accumulated happened quite without my knowledge
10/8 09:21:11.199 Xanthippe: [1187]
10/8 09:22:05.882 Xanthippe: I wasn't TRYING to learn, I actually didn't even LIKE school. But damn it, I needed to understand Medieval architecture for my Greyhawk campaign!
10/8 09:23:23.457 Xanthippe: That is the way that gaming affects young minds. All of us geeks liked to think ourselves as SO superior to the "dumb jocks" in our school, but have you ever heard a group of jocks discuss the NCAA draft picks?
10/8 09:23:49.950 Miryl raises his hand in the air.
10/8 09:24:16.220 Xanthippe: They might not know who wrote the Canterbury tales, but you can bet that they know how many yards rushing Ahmad Bradshaw has had this year.
10/8 09:24:50.143 Xanthippe: They perform complex statistical analysis in their heads, and it's all because football is "gaming" to them.
10/8 09:25:13.083 Pfeffa agrees with Xanthippe.
10/8 09:25:18.596 Villapapyri nods at Xanthippe.
10/8 09:25:23.864 Xanthippe: This isn't their math homework, it's what they need to keep up in the Monday morning locker room conversation.
10/8 09:25:56.831 Xanthippe: Okay ... so ... how does this relate to online gaming?
10/8 09:26:26.670 Xanthippe: Well, the vocabulary words are all here, Dexterity, ...etc .
10/8 09:26:58.770 Xanthippe: But young gamers can learn simply by virtue of their immersion in the virtual world.
10/8 09:28:25.107 Xanthippe: Recent studies by Apperley (2010), Beavis and OMara (2010) suggest that a young person's interaction with a virtual environment stimulates their comprehension of intertextual and encoded information.
10/8 09:28:39.630 Xanthippe: Oh, and side note, are any of those people here tonight?
10/8 09:29:21.380 Xanthippe: These studies were posted in an Australian journal (citation will appear in the show notes) so I thought they might be. :D
10/8 09:29:22.984 Franticread: but I can try and invite them for another time :)
10/8 09:29:35.335 Xanthippe: That would be awesome. :)
10/8 09:30:43.346 Xanthippe: Gah!
10/8 09:30:49.366 Xanthippe: I got disconnected. :(
10/8 09:31:02.249 Xanthippe: [shakes fist]
10/8 09:31:17.083 You soothe Xanthippe. There, there...things will be ok.
10/8 09:31:17.877 Villapapyri: Curse you, DNS!
10/8 09:31:44.870 Xanthippe: Seriously.
10/8 09:31:59.983 Xanthippe: Where was I ....
10/8 09:32:18.354 You are no longer Away.
10/8 09:32:18.951 Masquirade: Inviting Beavis and Omara over.
10/8 09:32:56.186 Xanthippe: Right. Sorry.
10/8 09:34:41.197 Xanthippe: Gah!
10/8 09:34:52.325 Xanthippe: Is it because I'm not moving?
10/8 09:35:05.068 Franticread: well - if you want to dance as you talk...
10/8 09:35:13.367 Xanthippe: So .... Apperley!
10/8 09:35:22.658 Xanthippe bursts into dance.
10/8 09:35:36.966 You cheer at Xanthippe.
10/8 09:36:05.884 Miryl dances with Xanthippe.
10/8 09:36:27.782 Xanthippe: Apperley suggests that this type of learning also enhances the students' ability to think critically, and to analyze the context of a game for a more in-depth understanding of the narrative.
10/8 09:37:19.256 Xanthippe: But mmorpgs such as WoW can also lead to a deeper comprehension of of the player and his or her environment
10/8 09:38:24.442 Xanthippe: In a personal analysis of WoW immersion, Clare Bradford noticed that most players tend to conflate their characters with their own idenity
10/8 09:38:50.240 Xanthippe: they'll refer to their online toon as "I", or "me".
10/8 09:39:31.097 Xanthippe: Roleplaying games in particular allow a player to experience a narrative in the "second person".
10/8 09:39:42.715 Villapapyri puts his hand up for a question on that.
10/8 09:39:57.919 Xanthippe: The learning becomes more personal when the storytelling is adressed to "you".
10/8 09:40:03.432 Xanthippe: Yes, Villa! :D
10/8 09:40:26.695 Xanthippe points at Villapapyri.
10/8 09:40:28.268 Villapapyri: Did the study examine RP servers? It's been my experience that there, the more common tendency is to depersonalise from the character.
10/8 09:40:42.812 Xanthippe: Really?
10/8 09:40:44.298 Villapapyri: That is, 'Villapapyri hit 80!', not 'I hit 80!'
10/8 09:40:49.209 Villapapyri: That's been my experience, yeah.
10/8 09:40:50.075 Xanthippe: I don't think it did.
10/8 09:41:02.413 Xanthippe: That is interesting, and it makes a lot of sense.
10/8 09:41:59.502 Villapapyri: You're acting more than experiencing.
10/8 09:42:02.457 Xanthippe: The article is from the Australian Journal of Language and Literacy, 33(1) and is titled: "Looking for my Corpse".
10/8 09:42:22.389 Xanthippe: I'm going to go look that up as soon as I'm done here. :D
10/8 09:42:50.075 Pfeffa: hmm..that seems like the opposite of RPing. well, unless your char talks about themself in the 3td person. :)
10/8 09:42:53.457 Xanthippe: I never thought about that.
10/8 09:43:37.044 Xanthippe: Yeah, I could see a character referring to themselves in the 3rd person when describing actions, though.
10/8 09:43:44.392 Masquirade: I would also imagine it depends on the number of characters someone has.
10/8 09:43:58.013 Xanthippe ponders this idea.
10/8 09:44:00.926 Xanthippe: See?
10/8 09:44:41.762 Xanthippe: So we can see how online gaming leads to critical thinking and literacy. But what about social skills?
10/8 09:45:11.415 Masquirade snorts. "Gamers don't have social skills, I'm proof of that!"
10/8 09:45:18.744 Xanthippe: The sterotype is that the average game is a social misfit who lives in his parents basement and shuns human contact
10/8 09:45:29.696 Xanthippe laughs at you.
10/8 09:45:36.704 Merrily: gamers have to have social skills to get along in guilds/groups etc
10/8 09:45:45.847 Masquirade: *eyes off the checklist* Mm yes, check, check check.
10/8 09:45:58.917 Xanthippe: Exactly, Merrly.
10/8 09:46:18.996 Xanthippe: Especially in a guild, or running with a group.
10/8 09:46:25.676 Masquirade: From what I"ve seen most of them just pick the "misfits" most like them, and form a clique.
10/8 09:47:36.036 Miryl: like us?
10/8 09:47:49.655 Masquirade: Exactly.
10/8 09:47:50.056 Merrily: depends on where you are I suppose. My 60+ year old mum plays Warcraft and often enters ad hoc groups for quests etc.
10/8 09:48:12.158 Xanthippe: Eric Lessner, of the IBM Institute of Business Values, commented that [in games] "Leaders develop and operate in environments that are highly distributed, global, hypercompetitive, and virtual. Not unlike today's business world". (2008)
10/8 09:48:28.333 Xanthippe: That's true also.
10/8 09:48:54.560 Xanthippe: And believe me, I'm not denying that there are are a lot of miscreants out there.
10/8 09:49:44.223 Xanthippe: But playing nice with others online is what helps people communicate in the business world.
10/8 09:50:58.328 Xanthippe: I've always said, that you can be lazy at work, you can be lackadaisical at school, but if you ever DARE to slack off when your tank needs a heal or your DPS needs a rez, you're in REAL trouble.
10/8 09:51:33.954 Villapapyri says: (Damn DPS can wait for a rez. If they die it's their own fault.)
10/8 09:51:38.020 Villapapyri coughs politely.
10/8 09:51:49.142 You agree with Villapapyri.
10/8 09:51:50.827 Xanthippe: If you're the head of a guild, or even a raid group, you practically need the resource managment skills of a CEO.
10/8 09:52:25.796 Xanthippe: How do I do a "sticks his tongue out at Villapapyri" emote?
10/8 09:52:30.000 Masquirade: And goddess help you if you're an officer! Diplomatic and counsellor combined.
10/8 09:52:52.374 Xanthippe: Oh totally! Avoiding guild drama is a full time position.
10/8 09:53:10.011 Villapapyri agrees with you.
10/8 09:53:22.031 Xanthippe agrees with you.
10/8 09:53:50.469 Pfeffa makes a rude gesture at Mr. Chilly.
10/8 09:54:28.444 Xanthippe: There's one more name I want to drop, and that's Mark Chen (2009) who wrote a very interesting article about cooperation in WoW, where he suggests that even shared failures can bring a group closer together.
10/8 09:54:55.513 Xanthippe: Now, obstacles for educators who want to get involved in WoW
10/8 09:55:06.624 Miryl: with all these studies, has anyone seen any study where the type of toon or role you play in game says something about the person in real life?
10/8 09:55:37.494 Xanthippe: Yes and no. Nick Yee seems to be on the leading edge of that.
10/8 09:55:48.497 Masquirade: Sort of, there is a general consensus in the RP community that the first character you RP on will resemble you and your likes IRL.
10/8 09:56:12.660 Masquirade: Eg, my first is a mage, who is a historian, so family library.
10/8 09:56:15.511 Xanthippe: I'd have to go through some of his articles, but he's probably the go to guy on that kind of info.
10/8 09:56:35.779 Miryl: cheers
10/8 09:56:51.304 Villapapyri says: ... my first was a crazy undead baron with a penchant for mad bombing runs. What does that say, Masq?
10/8 09:57:07.766 Masquirade says: You like to blow things up/
10/8 09:57:19.419 Masquirade says: And honestly, who doesn't?
10/8 09:57:24.644 Xanthippe: I'll agree with that.
10/8 09:57:25.532 Villapapyri says: I do like blowing things up. Sorry, please continue, Xanthippe.
10/8 09:57:37.573 Xanthippe: No that's okay.
10/8 09:57:39.859 Xanthippe: :)
10/8 09:57:53.592 Xanthippe: I needed to collect my thoughts. :)
10/8 09:58:20.370 Xanthippe: So ... the problem is, that many people still see gaming as frivolous.
10/8 09:58:32.115 Xanthippe: It's still regarded as "kids stuff".
10/8 09:59:30.348 Xanthippe: Even though the average gamer is 25-30, and the number of subscribers to WoW just recently outnumbered the population of Greece.
10/8 09:59:48.528 Xanthippe: So ... there are more WoW players than ... Greeks.
10/8 09:59:53.181 Xanthippe waves at Aszhure.
10/8 10:00:30.299 Xanthippe: So how do we change this opinion? How do we get some respect for "gaming"?
10/8 10:00:57.740 Xanthippe: Any ideas?
10/8 10:01:16.321 Villapapyri: OK, I know this is weird but... first off, acknowledge their point.
10/8 10:01:32.142 Xanthippe: That's an excellent start.
10/8 10:01:32.941 Villapapyri: It _is_ frivolous to some degree. I mean, gaming is first and foremost, fun.
10/8 10:01:42.349 Xanthippe: Very true.
10/8 10:01:57.870 Merrily: so is strytime to those in pulic libraries who perform it :)
10/8 10:01:59.899 Pfeffa: yup. just like doing the sunday crossword, playing scrabble, fantasy football leagues.
10/8 10:02:06.804 Franticread: well, it may need generaltional change - and people talking about it
10/8 10:02:12.662 Villapapyri: But the best strategy beyond that? Prove it IS fun. More people playing: More social acceptability.
10/8 10:02:35.702 Xanthippe: I would personally love to have intermural gaming teams for WoW.
10/8 10:02:57.590 Franticread: but also that it does equate with things like reading etc - reading is always seen as good
10/8 10:02:58.917 Xanthippe: Have WoW events in the arenas between college teams.
10/8 10:02:59.289 Villapapyri: In the medium term, try to create more socially aware programs tied to gaming. Child's Play is an excellent start, and we need more of that.
10/8 10:02:59.917 Miryl: Maybe need to talk the corporate language to get the powers on side?
10/8 10:03:24.369 Xanthippe: These are all excellent ideas.
10/8 10:03:30.615 Villapapyri: (Child's Play is a charity associated with Gaming Webcomics giants Penny Arcade. It provides toys, games and money to children's hospitals at Christmas.)
10/8 10:04:18.941 Villapapyri: And my favorite suggestion, short term to medium term: STOP ACCEPTING JERKS.
10/8 10:04:43.659 Xanthippe: I was going to talk a little about Second Life as well, but I think I'm starting to run out of steam. But I would like to continue the discussion.
10/8 10:04:44.425 Villapapyri: Seriously. Nothing does more to damage the reputation of games than the way it shelters the immature and poorly socialised. OK, end rant. Sorry, that one gets to me.
10/8 10:05:04.441 Xanthippe: Me too!
10/8 10:05:22.732 Xanthippe: Is anyone here still involved with Second Life?
10/8 10:05:25.819 Franticread: some of the corporate language ideas being raise by the authors of Total engagement
10/8 10:05:42.043 Franticread: I have been to a couple of ALA talks in SL
10/8 10:05:45.098 Xanthippe: We used to be, but I have to admit, SL is losing it for me
10/8 10:05:56.105 Xanthippe: Me too.
10/8 10:06:09.381 Pfeffa: we have a building on Info Island, but we've lost interest I think.
10/8 10:06:23.363 Pfeffa: also, with prices for land doubling, i think we're done.
10/8 10:06:33.758 Xanthippe: I used to have a building on Cybrary. I haven't checked to see if it's still there
10/8 10:06:45.077 Xanthippe: And then there's that.
10/8 10:07:00.354 Xanthippe: I think SL just tried to be too many things to too many people. :(
10/8 10:07:32.566 Villapapyri: I also think simpler browser games moved into SL's space.
10/8 10:07:42.842 Xanthippe: Farmville, etc?
10/8 10:08:01.820 Xanthippe: Or even just Facebook in general?
10/8 10:08:10.984 Villapapyri: As well as Whirled, and such. Social experiences based around 3D virtual spaces. That's exactly what SL is.
10/8 10:08:22.257 Villapapyri: But they're way easier to set up.
10/8 10:08:24.930 Xanthippe: Are those still used?
10/8 10:08:36.437 Villapapyri: I have no idea. :)
10/8 10:08:38.723 Miryl: yes by sad people
10/8 10:08:40.283 Xanthippe: (I'm actually not familiar with Whirled)
10/8 10:09:20.539 Villapapyri: (Whirled is a browser MMO made by the same guys who made Puzzle Pirates.)
10/8 10:09:26.627 Pfeffa: some people may be moving from Sl to OpenSim, i've heard.
10/8 10:09:28.981 Villapapyri: (Puzzle Pirates is still doing very well, BTW.)
10/8 10:09:40.811 Masquirade: Ooh Puzzle Pirates :D
10/8 10:09:41.210 Xanthippe: And the last question I have is ... What's next? Does anyone see a "WoW-Killer" on the horizon?
10/8 10:09:57.262 Xanthippe: (also never played puzzle pirates)
10/8 10:10:22.115 Masquirade: No, everyone who says "insert name of MMO here" is going to kill WoW has been wrong.
10/8 10:10:28.291 Miryl: depends on how cataclysm is recieved, i think alot of people were dissapponted with WOTLK
10/8 10:10:40.227 Masquirade: My theory, the only thing that's going to kill WoW, IS WoW.
10/8 10:10:46.509 Villapapyri: Wow raised its number of players to 12 million during WotLK. Just sayin'.
10/8 10:10:57.659 Xanthippe: I like the sound of Cataaclysm. I like how it changes early-game content
10/8 10:11:15.113 Xanthippe: Yup. More than Greece. ;)
10/8 10:11:18.746 Masquirade: It's a nice change.
10/8 10:11:31.853 Masquirade: Plus you know, Werewolves, er I mean Worgen.
10/8 10:11:34.254 Pfeffa: i'm going to miss it tho. :( i'm too sentimental.
10/8 10:11:41.486 Masquirade: Cashing in on Twilight maybe?
10/8 10:12:00.705 Miryl: may have got more as a new release but i think lots of peopple lost interest once they got further in, a bit samesy really cataclysm looks better for the wider changes
10/8 10:12:13.024 Xanthippe: Well, that's all I have for you guys tonight. How long was I supposed to keep going? Did I use enough time?
10/8 10:12:28.621 Franticread: okay - any more questions for Xanthippe?
10/8 10:12:28.986 Masquirade: I think so.
10/8 10:12:36.918 Villapapyri: I do, I do!
10/8 10:12:38.750 Franticread: This was great - good amount of time
10/8 10:12:43.104 Xanthippe points at Villapapyri.
10/8 10:12:43.709 Villapapyri: A crucially important question, in fact.
10/8 10:12:55.010 Xanthippe: No, I'm not a hot chick in RL
10/8 10:13:10.249 Merrily laughs at Xanthippe.
10/8 10:13:11.379 Villapapyri: You say you played D&D as a 12 year old. So... Is it pronounced THAY-co, or THACK-co?
10/8 10:13:26.530 Villapapyri looks suspiciously at Xanthippe.
10/8 10:13:30.373 Miryl: How are we to apply these games practically?
10/8 10:13:46.436 Xanthippe: I always said "Thack-o". I never even knew it was a controversy until much later.
10/8 10:14:05.869 Villapapyri: You have a strong opinion either way. You're a true D&Der! :D
10/8 10:14:14.343 Villapapyri cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 10:14:15.653 Merrily: depends on age - us oldies say thack-o :)
10/8 10:14:23.533 Villapapyri: OK, I'll stop being silly now. :)
10/8 10:14:26.411 Masquirade: Sounds a bit like the trekkie/treker debate, only meaningful to fans.
10/8 10:14:30.845 Villapapyri: (And THAY-co for me.)
10/8 10:14:41.099 Xanthippe: I'd even be willing to say "Thu-HACK-Oh" just be obstinate
10/8 10:14:47.842 Franticread: so if that is it for questions...
10/8 10:14:59.929 Villapapyri: Wait up, I saw another one.
10/8 10:15:00.331 Franticread: Please join with me in thanking Craig/Xanthippe
10/8 10:15:09.997 Franticread: okay - one more question
10/8 10:15:12.377 You thank Xanthippe.
10/8 10:15:12.773 Miryl: yes i have one
10/8 10:15:13.175 Villapapyri: Miryl had a question.
10/8 10:15:34.917 Xanthippe: At this point, i keep waiting for an NPC to raise his/her hand
10/8 10:15:44.633 Xanthippe: Yes, Miryl!
10/8 10:15:48.839 Xanthippe points at Merrily.
10/8 10:15:54.195 Miryl: do you have any suggestions of how we apply these games in a practical sense
10/8 10:15:56.032 Xanthippe: oops
10/8 10:16:06.666 Xanthippe: Unfortunately no.
10/8 10:16:29.253 Xanthippe: You could always suggest to the powers that be that you run a "gaming night"
10/8 10:16:40.010 Xanthippe: But that didn't work too well for me.
10/8 10:16:52.274 Pfeffa: have you heard about the Wow in School program? for at risk kids?
10/8 10:16:57.015 Xanthippe: There is a lot of resistance to tat sort thing.
10/8 10:17:02.826 Xanthippe: Oooh, no.
10/8 10:17:08.954 Miryl: one thought i had was an intro, to wow for parents of players
10/8 10:17:09.740 Xanthippe: Pferra?
10/8 10:17:30.461 Miryl: the wow ib schools thing looked great
10/8 10:17:36.170 Pfeffa: http://wowinschool.pbworks.com/
10/8 10:17:40.680 Xanthippe: That might be good as well. Just a one-sheet with info for parents?
10/8 10:17:54.269 Xanthippe: I'll have to check that out! :)
10/8 10:18:05.502 Xanthippe: The WoWinSchools thing, I mean
10/8 10:18:05.903 Miryl: yeah, or one screen projected to show examples
10/8 10:18:14.868 Xanthippe: [nods]
10/8 10:18:22.321 Pfeffa: use the game, World of Warcraft, as a focal point for exploring Writing/Literacy, Mathematics, Digital Citizenship, Online Safety, and would have numerous projects/lessons intended to develop 21st-Century skills.
10/8 10:18:23.183 Franticread: as did the Arkansas Public lIbrary program
10/8 10:18:32.818 Xanthippe: W00!
10/8 10:18:39.144 Pfeffa: that's a quote from the page.
10/8 10:18:47.708 Xanthippe: That's awesome!
10/8 10:19:07.283 Franticread: but also be open to other games - such as LOTRO
10/8 10:19:15.106 Franticread: which is now free
10/8 10:19:16.227 Villapapyri: From an academic perspective, I'd LOVE to have a big display of student projects from a gaming development program. Set it up so that games rotate on the system (once one person finishes playing, it switches to the next game) and project it large.
10/8 10:19:22.668 Villapapyri: In a social/not too quiet area.
10/8 10:19:22.679 Xanthippe: So my homework is to check out WoWinSchools, and find out if RP servers were mentioned in that article by Bradshaw, got it!!
10/8 10:19:42.036 Xanthippe: ;D
10/8 10:19:53.274 Franticread: if you could add the information to the wiki that would be great
10/8 10:20:07.996 Pfeffa: also, Constance Steinkuehler does great research on MMos and literacy and sociology.
10/8 10:20:20.926 Xanthippe: Yes, I read some articles by her.
10/8 10:20:42.225 Xanthippe: Is there going to be a chat transcript of this available somewhere?
10/8 10:20:53.749 Franticread: yes - it will be on the games and libraries wiki
10/8 10:20:57.606 Xanthippe: I'd love to know exactly what I said. :)
10/8 10:21:02.660 Xanthippe: Awesome.
10/8 10:21:09.733 Franticread: It was a really interesting talk and discussion and I will be following up on the papers suggestedPlease join with me in thanking Craig/Xanthippe
10/8 10:21:17.153 Villapapyri cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 10:21:24.174 Xanthippe bows before Miryl.
10/8 10:21:26.412 Villapapyri applauds at Xanthippe. Bravo!
10/8 10:21:26.412 Franticread cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 10:21:26.782 You cheer at Xanthippe.
10/8 10:21:27.181 Miryl thanks Xanthippe.
10/8 10:21:30.000 Pfeffa claps excitedly for Xanthippe.
10/8 10:21:33.593 Xanthippe bows down graciously.
10/8 10:21:33.593 Pfeffa cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 10:21:35.041 Franticread: The next speaker will be Justin Hoenke who is one of the founding bloggers on 8bitlibrary.com – check the wiki for local times.
10/8 10:21:35.794 Merrily cheers at Xanthippe!
10/8 10:21:51.142 Franticread: Please join the wiki to continue the discussion.Jackslack and Variel will be making transcripts of today available – big thanks to them.See you at the next talk – and thanks so much for coming along today.
10/8 10:22:00.791 Villapapyri: OK, I'm going to hop off and get that transcript going now. Bye all!
10/8 10:22:02.744 Villapapyri has gone offline.
10/8 10:22:03.157 Xanthippe cheers!
10/8 10:22:09.916 Xanthippe: Thank you all!
10/8 10:22:11.650 Franticread: and please keep suggesting future speakers
10/8 10:22:19.676 Xanthippe: You've made me feel very welcome.
10/8 10:22:27.760 Franticread: thanks so much Xan - that was really great
10/8 10:22:48.008 Franticread: see you all at the next talk
10/8 10:22:58.255 Pfeffa thanks Franticread.
10/8 10:23:00.659 Xanthippe: Okay. I think I'm going to go before I draw spousal aggro. ;)
10/8 10:23:01.995 Masquirade: Hmm, Frantic maybe we should try to get some speakers with a gaming perspective but no library background. Other side of the fence and all that.
10/8 10:23:11.263 You wave at Xanthippe.
10/8 10:23:20.919 Xanthippe: Right! Like the articles I cited.
10/8 10:23:27.316 Miryl: try getting the wow in schools person(s)
10/8 10:23:32.948 Xanthippe waves at you.
10/8 10:23:34.326 Franticread: good idea - I will be following up from the artciles
10/8 10:23:45.243 Masquirade: We have previously I think Miryl.
10/8 10:23:52.956 Xanthippe: I'll send a list of articles to Frantic.
10/8 10:23:53.878 Franticread: actually we have already had the wow in schools person - Peggy spoke at the seminar
10/8 10:23:55.479 Miryl: lol oops
10/8 10:24:09.488 Franticread: np - there may be other speakers from that prject
10/8 10:24:21.578 Miryl: yeah i remeber now lol
10/8 10:24:26.424 Xanthippe: All right, good night, peeps!
10/8 10:24:33.895 Xanthippe waves.
10/8 10:24:36.804 Pfeffa waves at Xanthippe.
10/8 10:24:42.902 Merrily waves at Xanthippe.
10/8 10:24:44.207 Franticread: see you
10/8 10:24:48.937 Miryl: bye
10/8 10:24:51.606 Xanthippe: Bye.
10/8 10:24:54.152 Miryl waves goodbye to Xanthippe. Farewell!
10/8 10:24:54.552 Franticread has gone offline.
10/8 10:24:59.586 Xanthippe has gone offline.
10/8 10:25:06.576 Merrily: Bye all - catch you at the next talk ....
10/8 10:25:10.009 Merrily has gone offline.
10/8 10:25:14.308 Miryl: seeya